"All megachurches, large churches, get lumped together. They are not alike ... It's like comparing submarines and tangerines – they sound alike but they're not the same," said Warren. Both Warren's ...

"I'll be honest. Everybody thinks you're cuckoo for cocoa puffs. You got a good church going on and you hit the eject button and now you're the international man of fu Manchu mystery," said Pastor ...